Two forums?

  • Monday, April 21, 2014 9:41 AM
    Message # 1541228
    Does anyone know why there are two forums: one here and one on google group?  What's the purpose?  It's kinda confusing?  Thanks.
  • Tuesday, April 22, 2014 12:44 AM
    Reply # 1541695 on 1541228
    Mark Fletcher
    Yes, I can answer that.

    Over a years ago we only had one forum, which was the Google Groups.  It is the club's intention to allow people on the Google Group that are members of the club.  This works well for promoting the club, but it does not work well for discussing club business, which only members of the club are eligible to participate in.  Thus, we started the forum that this current message is on.  We can safety discuss club business knowing that the only people who can view the discussion are those who can vote.  While this might be strange, try to think of how many professional or otherwise organizations that you belong to that allow the general public to view the inner discussions regarding finances, voting, proposals, motions, etc.  Then we went with just his forum, but realized it does not work well for very quick individual situations such as people looking for climbing partners, contacting people just before climbing, etc. because this forum is not able to connect to mobile phones like Google Groups.  Thus, the reason for two forums.  Actually, I like the two forums since the more long term discussions can take place on this forum while the quicker events and planning can take place on the Google Groups.  Plus, I know, being the former Treasurer of the club, that I can make suggestions regarding directing funds or proposals regarding funds without people commenting who are not even contributing to the club's financial situation.

  • Tuesday, April 22, 2014 12:51 AM
    Reply # 1541697 on 1541228
    Mark Fletcher
    Sorry, the last e-mail did not come out as I planned.  Must be late at night.  What I meant is that there are many more people allowed on Google Groups than are members of the club, which is intentional for promotional purposes.  In fact when I was Treasurer only about 1/3 of the people on Google Groups were actual paid club members.  These people are not eligible to vote on club matters, so we needed another safe forum to allow discussion only among paid club members.

    Maybe this was not intentional, but I view this club-only forum as the "Up Rope Journal" since day to day trip planning and events are on Google Groups, but people are posting  longer trip reports in this forum.

    Climb on!

  • Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:33 AM
    Reply # 1541821 on 1541228
    Mark - Conceptually it makes sense the way you explained it.  However, there is already a club business section within the Forum header.  In addition, what's posted in this particular section of the forum doesn't look that much different from what's in the google. 
    Last modified: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:55 AM | Hung Ly
  • Tuesday, April 22, 2014 10:31 AM
    Reply # 1541856 on 1541228
    Anna G.
    I have seen one club trip advertised on the Meet-up group, carpooling details discussed inside a Club Forum, and the trip report posted on Google groups without a follow-up link on the Club Forum. It was confusing to me, especially that the delineation of topics among the venues varies from person to person.
    So, either one follows all three sources or one is never up to date.
  • Tuesday, April 22, 2014 12:29 PM
    Reply # 1541917 on 1541228
    Deleted user
    Which is where I put in the plug for making sure, if one is a club member, that one subscribes to all three.  I get e-mail updates about new postings to each and therefore only need to check e-mail to know whether I need to go to the meet-up page (e.g., to register for an event), to the club-only forum (for conversations like this one), or reply to the Google group listing to solicit advice, find partners and carpools, etc.  Once you set-up the notifications, then all you need to do is check e-mail to stay on top of things.  

    It's working for me, but this is obviously just my two cents...

  • Friday, May 09, 2014 4:09 PM
    Reply # 1551096 on 1541228
    I want to be very positive and only constructive  here as the current system works great for me too. 

    As a relatively new member it does seem really confusing. As I work in IT and specifically manage transitions of clients from legacy systems/excel to modern databases. I understand the pushback you can get from people during a change.

    That being said it seems like a major loss to this group in terms of archive of information and community building that the forum was rejected and google group reinstated. Seems like it was a loss of club resources and a classic case of IT implementation failure. 

    In in effort to make the forum successful maybe a forum setup using this toolset might be better. As many other users likely use IP.Board, phpBB or Xenforo in another forum that may have help adoption. Where these cost prohibitive? 
    Seemed like a huge complaint was no phone access to forum content. Not having a tapatalk compatable forum seemed like a major fail point which we could easily improve. 

    Though the system like David described works, it’s not streamlined. 
  • Thursday, May 15, 2014 9:29 AM
    Reply # 1553085 on 1541228

    As a climber, I prefer simplicity.  Bigwall climbing certainly ingrained that way of thinking for me.  But if everyone is happy with the way things work then it's good enough.


    On a separate but tangential question:  What's the point of having a club forum for non-member (googlegroup)? 

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